InstantForum.NET v4.1.4CanadianBride.com Talkboardshttp://forums.canadianbride.com/bounce@canadianbride.comTue, 02 Dec 2008 10:18:23 GMT20http://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspxWell you can't really say anything cause you would look bad, but you have my blessing to thing they are petty and cheap lol. I suggest you do the same! j/k lol It definately sounds like you guys have everything you need and I get that you aren't complaining about the money, but the fact that they are treating each child differently; it would bother me too!Sat, 22 Apr 2006 09:42:28 GMTfaschahttp://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspxHi Ladies...</P><P>Here's the answer to your question: The money was given to FHs brother and sister when they got engaged so that it could be used for deposits. Thanks again for the feedback.Fri, 21 Apr 2006 20:27:25 GMTChrissy616http://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspxI don't think it will be the grandparents, I had one set that loved me, I mean LOVED ME, showered me with affection and attention. All I remember is that my other grandparents didn't, although they got to spend time with my other cousins, my mother complained about them (although now that I'm older I agree with her). I'm just saying it was hard seeing them play favorites and if you can help your children not notice that by letting spend time with their grandparents it would be a bit nicer.Fri, 21 Apr 2006 12:32:49 GMTheather972http://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspxdefinately the grandparents heather... the grandkids will have the other set to give them LOTS of attention too!Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:43:36 GMTfaschahttp://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspxWell, in the end it's their choice, although I will agree that it's not fair to you at all. Just remember that two rights don't make a wrong, and don't hold it against them when you have children, because well although some people say you should not let the children see their grandparents except for holidays, who is going to hurt more the grandparents or your child? Fri, 21 Apr 2006 11:26:00 GMTheather972http://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspxNobody ever said that it wasn't their right not to contribute. It just makes them look like they're playing favorites and that would not sit well with me is all. Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:19:29 GMTfaschahttp://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspxI was thinking about this today... I have to retract my first opinion. I said that I agreed that it was unfair. And I don't think I believe that. Love isn't measured by material things, and some people need things that other people don't. </P><P>I've seen this play out in the classroom: One student has a sight disability and the library ordered in special books for him in large print. The total cost was over $500. Several parents heard about and called into the shcool demanding to know why $500 hadn't been spent on their children, too. They're complaint was that it wasn't fair. Their theory was that if one child has access to schools funds for something then every other child should have the same amount spent one them. But there is a difference between <STRONG>fair</STRONG> and <STRONG>equal</STRONG>. Spending $500 on the child with visual problems allowed that child to have equal access to materals and to do the work that everyone else was doing. Yes, it was an accomodation, and yes it was special treatment in that he had the money spent on resources just for his use. Do I think there should have been a cheque written to every other child in the school just to be "fair"? Nope, not at all. </P><P>For someone who already has so much to be demanding more under the guise of "fair" seems wrong. Maybe the OP should start realizing the love doesn't equal money. Not everyone's needs are the same and the OP obviously doesn't need money. But maybe there will be things she and her husband need in the future that the bother's won't need. For example, if she has children and FH's parents babysit a lot should the parents then write a cheque to the two bothers to compensate them for not receiving the same thing?? Thu, 20 Apr 2006 17:15:38 GMTEmberhttp://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspxAlso........could some one explain to me how one would have a sibling 69 years older then himself. This is what the OP said.Thu, 20 Apr 2006 16:59:22 GMTdeloresdoehttp://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspx[quote][b]fascha (4/20/2006)[/b][hr]deloris I'm only going on the "law book" that the OP used when they gave to BOTH their other sons[/quote]</P><P>so we agree then. It is their law book and we can discuss it all we want but they cna choose to help however they wantThu, 20 Apr 2006 16:56:51 GMTdeloresdoehttp://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspx[quote][b]fascha (4/20/2006)[/b][hr]ageed. but that still doesn't change the fact that the new DIL thinks they are scum for mistreating one son courtesy of her parents. Either way someone's got egg on their face; and personally I'd rather it be the inlaws! lol[/quote]</P><P><FONT color=#3333bb>If the DIL thinks her new inlaws are scum for mistreating her FH, frankly it's none of her business. It's up to the son to say something, should he have the nerve... </FONT></P><P><FONT color=#3333bb>When parents are rude or mean to our spouse, we have all previously agreed in other threads, that whomevers parent(s) it is, the child of that parent(s) approaches them, not the spouse.......she should take a seat and let her FH handle this if it as much of a deal as she claims it is. If he choses not to do anything, she has to suck it up.</FONT> <FONT color=#3333bb>Hell, if she's that upset about it, don't put your name on the next Christmas gift......geesh.</FONT>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:32:24 GMTBeeBearhttp://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspxageed. but that still doesn't change the fact that the new DIL thinks they are scum for mistreating one son courtesy of her parents. Either way someone's got egg on their face; and personally I'd rather it be the inlaws! lolThu, 20 Apr 2006 15:24:33 GMTfaschahttp://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspx[quote][b]terri33 (4/20/2006)[/b][hr] But in this situation neither responsibility or obiligation exist. <FONT color=#1111ff>It would be taking advantage of the groom's parents if they were "guilted" into something they wished not to do by placing a monetary price on their child's love</FONT>.[/quote]</P><P><FONT color=#1111ff>Well said!!</FONT> :)</P><P><FONT color=#1111ff>I imagine it wouldn't be a great way for the new daughter-in-law to start off either...</FONT>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:22:49 GMTBeeBearhttp://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspxTaking advantage if there is an obligation or if they were in someway falsifying their situtation in order to get out of responsibility. But in this situation neither responsibility or obiligation exist. It would be taking advantage of the groom's parents if they were "guilted" into something they wished not to do by placing a monetary price on their child's love.Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:10:39 GMTterri33http://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspxdeloris I'm only going on the "law book" that the OP used when they gave to BOTH their other sonsThu, 20 Apr 2006 15:10:19 GMTfaschahttp://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspxhey. i just realised i remembered my old password. oops. i am deloresdoe now not that stupid imature delorisdoe. both are still dumbasses. Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:05:14 GMTdelorisdoehttp://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspx[quote][b]fascha (4/20/2006)[/b][hr]I would consider that taking advantage because that's exactly what they are doing. <BR>If your situation is easier/better because someone else helped out (in this case footing the BIG bills) then you are at an advantage are you not??? That would be taking advantage of a partiular situation or circumstance...[/quote]</P><P>sure...if someone could please find the law book that explains to all parents how they must pay for their childrens wedding or education. it is nice when they do. this is the rest of her life she should let it go.Thu, 20 Apr 2006 15:04:02 GMTdelorisdoehttp://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspxI would consider that taking advantage because that's exactly what they are doing. <BR>If your situation is easier/better because someone else helped out (in this case footing the BIG bills) then you are at an advantage are you not??? That would be taking advantage of a partiular situation or circumstance...Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:57:36 GMTfaschahttp://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspx[quote][b]fascha (4/20/2006)[/b][hr]Maybe the original poster could clarify when the brothers got it??? as a gift at the wedding or right away so that they could use it to pay for stuff???[/quote]</P><P><FONT color=#3333dd size=2>back to my very first response.......</FONT></P><P><FONT color=#dd3333 size=2>That was my initial question......when this sibling received a monetary gift/assistance with some of the wedding costs, was this done prior to the wedding or as an actual wedding gift given on the day of the wedding?? This makes a big difference in my eyes. </FONT></P><P><FONT color=#dd3333 size=2>My Mother gave us a ton of cash to help out during the course of our planning and preparation, DH parents didn't lift a finger or offer a dime. While at our hotel after the wedding, we opened our cards, in one was $1000 from DH's father........something to think about.</FONT>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:57:11 GMTBeeBearhttp://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspx[quote][b]fascha (4/20/2006)[/b][hr]Delores, I think that the reason the OP thought that her parents were being takien advantage of was because she is assuming her FH's parents aren't giving the same amount of money because hers have already given so much...[/quote]</P><P>but why is it considered taking advantage of. If chrissi is so woried about her poor parents than should she not just refuse their generosity. They paid for fh education is that his parents fault as well.</P><P>I will say again there could be alot more than we know. My dad to this day will not give one of my brothers cash, loan or otherwise. They have one hell of a good reason not to but they have not ever told his girlfriend why. his girlfriend could think that my dad is wrong selfish and unfair...if she only knew the real reason she'd understand.Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:54:17 GMTdeloresdoehttp://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspx[quote][b]browneyed (4/20/2006)[/b][hr]Wow, this is quite the heated topic. <P>I think the fact that her parents are helping quite a bit and giving the house really makes a difference in my opinion. If they didn't pay for anything or give the house then maybe they are entitled to feel a little upset about it because then their need would be equal to what his brother and sister's need was. But, it isn't her parents or his parents responsibility to pay for anything these days. It is the bride and grooms responsibility.</P><P>If her parents "chose" to pay for some of the wedding and the house then it was their gift to her and her fh. Nobody made them do it. The are not obligated to do it and his parents are not taking advantage of it. </P><P>His parents should give them a wedding gift also but what and how much they "choose" to give is up to them. They are not obligated to pay for the wedding. They are all adults here and no longer little children who's parents must foot the bill for anything they want.</P><P>I think the situation is more of whether they need the help or not. No they don't need the help - so, a nice wedding gift is appropriate.</P><P>I agree with another post, be happy with what you have. Be thankful, be appreciative, and graciously accept the fact that since you are well off you don't need the extra money. When you keep wanting more it becomes greed. No, parents can't always give the same amount of help, money, gifts to all their children all the time. Life just doesn't work that way.</P><P>If two children were living out on their own and one was hard up and couldn't buy groceries and their parents gave them money which they didn't expect them to pay back should the other be jealous and expect some money too? Of course not. </P><P>In my family we all help each other out. We don't count who's getting what and how much. My mom raised 5 kids and things we not always equal as cicumstances change over the years. She loved us all that's what counted. That's all that should count. Money is just money you can't take it with when you die. I know I am off topic here but I am just trying to make a point that people are never happy with what they have.[/quote]<P> <P><STRONG><EM><FONT size=3>thanks, i think that is what I said.:P in a way off and rudeish type way. If they dont need it why should they get it. </FONT></EM></STRONG>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 14:49:57 GMTdeloresdoehttp://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspxWow, this is quite the heated topic. </P><P>I think the fact that her parents are helping quite a bit and giving the house really makes a difference in my opinion. If they didn't pay for anything or give the house then maybe they are entitled to feel a little upset about it because then their need would be equal to what his brother and sister's need was. But, it isn't her parents or his parents responsibility to pay for anything these days. It is the bride and grooms responsibility.</P><P>If her parents "chose" to pay for some of the wedding and the house then it was their gift to her and her fh. Nobody made them do it. The are not obligated to do it and his parents are not taking advantage of it. </P><P>His parents should give them a wedding gift also but what and how much they "choose" to give is up to them. They are not obligated to pay for the wedding. They are all adults here and no longer little children who's parents must foot the bill for anything they want.</P><P>I think the situation is more of whether they need the help or not. No they don't need the help - so, a nice wedding gift is appropriate.</P><P>I agree with another post, be happy with what you have. Be thankful, be appreciative, and graciously accept the fact that since you are well off you don't need the extra money. When you keep wanting more it becomes greed. No, parents can't always give the same amount of help, money, gifts to all their children all the time. Life just doesn't work that way.</P><P>If two children were living out on their own and one was hard up and couldn't buy groceries and their parents gave them money which they didn't expect them to pay back should the other be jealous and expect some money too? Of course not. </P><P>In my family we all help each other out. We don't count who's getting what and how much. My mom raised 5 kids and things we not always equal as cicumstances change over the years. She loved us all that's what counted. That's all that should count. Money is just money you can't take it with when you die. I know I am off topic here but I am just trying to make a point that people are never happy with what they have.Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:38:52 GMTbrowneyedhttp://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspxMaybe the original poster could clarify when the brothers got it??? as a gift at the wedding or right away so that they could use it to pay for stuff???Thu, 20 Apr 2006 13:18:10 GMTfaschahttp://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspxthe issue is (in my understanding), not that FH's parents have given as much as the OP's has, but that they havent offered the same as was offered to FH's siblings (siblings getting 5000 and FH getting nothing), therefore, making it appear that the kids are being treated unequal.......</P><P>the bottom line still remains the same (in my opinion).......how can FH's parents be judged at this point (and using "judged" loosely here, as I dont feel they are obligated to give anything if one chooses to marry...again, my opinion) when the wedding has still to take place.......its putting the cart before the horse here!!</P><P>If after the wedding, nothing had been offered (but was expected), then I would question the motive, but OP is questioning before the wedding is a done deal.</P><P>LynnThu, 20 Apr 2006 13:12:18 GMTsewandsohttp://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspxDelores, I think that the reason the OP thought that her parents were being takien advantage of was because she is assuming her FH's parents aren't giving the same amount of money because hers have already given so much...Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:50:16 GMTfaschahttp://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspx My comment about the taking advantage of ops parents was simply a response to her saying that she feels that her parents are being taken advantage of. Please help me to understand how his parents not giving them money is taking advantage of her parents. I agree. It is unfair. I just dont get complaining about it when her parents have so much money they dont know what to do with it. </P><P>I just dont get how his parents are taking advantage of hers. the comment about the grandchildren is a good one. you make your bed and you lie in it. if in the future they see less of her children because of it then so be it. karma. Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:27:13 GMTdeloresdoehttp://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspx[quote][b]sewandso (4/19/2006)[/b][hr]oh and to answer your question EL.....if I was offered a house....yes, I WOULD decline it........its just me and my principles<P>Lynn[/quote]<P>not me......not in a million years. someone give me a house please:DThu, 20 Apr 2006 12:21:19 GMTdeloresdoehttp://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspxWell It's true, it's life and you should definately get over it. And my recommendation for getting over it is when you have children, send em over on B-days Christmas and Easter, I mean it's totally your right so favor one set of G.Parents over the next right? ;)Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:11:18 GMTfaschahttp://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspxI agree AmieL ... it's very true ... again it's not necessarily fair, but it's life ... get over it !Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:01:05 GMTigottajlohttp://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspxI think it really must depend on your family right??? I mean some parents really DO favor one child over another!Thu, 20 Apr 2006 12:00:11 GMTfaschahttp://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspx[quote][b]igottajlo (4/20/2006)[/b][hr]Heather --- I did not say anything about spending the same amount on each child equally love. Money does not equal love. IMO, it's insane to track EVERY penny you give to your children to make sure it's equal. Two year olds have that mentality of equality because they do not understand the concept that life isn't always equal and fair.[/quote]</P><P>I agree that it insane to track every penny given to each child, but I don't think it's that difficult to remember, or track that you gave two of your children $5,000 towards their weddings and nothing to your third child. Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:58:30 GMTAmieLhttp://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspxHeather --- I did not say anything about spending the same amount on each child equally love. Money does not equal love. IMO, it's insane to track EVERY penny you give to your children to make sure it's equal. Two year olds have that mentality of equality because they do not understand the concept that life isn't always equal and fair.Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:50:30 GMTigottajlohttp://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspxHad to write another post to rant about some of the people posting. Oh my god, do you really think that no parents treat their children equally? My parents were amazing, winter and spring were my busy times (I was in around 2-3 dance competitions every month) and late spring and summer were my brother's (he plays very competitive baseball). They made sure for christmas/birthdays that we were given the same amount of presents, yes my mother counted, and that we had the same amount of money spent on us. Now that we are older, my parents have lent me money for a downpayment on my first house (I'm 20 and it's brand new, so yes they helped us with it) However, they have written down the amount they lent me/FH and they are prepared to help my brother with the same amount, whatever he chooses to use it for, a house, schooling or to open his own business, it's his choice. They have treated us very equally, although when we were younger I thought during the summer that they spent way more with my brother, it was only because I wasn't getting as much attention as I was during the spring/summer. Trust me parents love their children equally, with that said, they may feel obligated like my grandparents, to try and level the playing field by helping other children more. </P><P>Who are you hurting other than yourself by holding this grudge? My grandfather passed away earlier this year, actually they both did. But I realized that by me being hurt by my grandfather all these years didn't bother him at all, he didn't know, and to his last day I held the grudge. It didn't hurt him at all, he didn't know that I had this problem with him, and now what, I can only think of bad memories because it consumed my feelings towards him for so many hears. Just get over it, and start a new relationship with your parents/FIL's and just think that they are trying to do what is best for everyone. Even though they may be wrong :)Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:24:52 GMTheather972http://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspxThe same thing happened with my father's family, and it has caused permenant family problems. His parents add the children who do not have as much, my father has done very well for himself. The other two children are 40 and 45 and the 40 year old left the house around 5 years ago, after he got married (15 years before that) and had three children while living there, the 45 year old moved back to the house 2 years ago, so she could be closer to her mother HA YEAH RIGHT. Anyhow, unfortunately my grandparents treated the other two children's kids better as well, got them more expensive b-day/christmas presents, spent more time with them, showed them more affection and it hurt my family. To the point where I do not want to invite them to my wedding, they don't seem to care about me like they care about the other grandchildren, they haven't called me in 2 years!!!!!!! Anyhow, talk to your FH and get this straightened out right now, you don't want this to happen to your children because your parents can give your children more than they can, so they wont do anything for your kids. Remind them that even if your parents have more money, that they have affection, and that a child needs love from both sets of grandparents. The wedding isn't a big deal, you should make sure that it isn't the beginning for the rest of your lives.Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:14:26 GMTheather972http://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspxBB I commend you then, because if it were me; I'd be pissed. Good for you that you don't think they were unfair! Unfortunately not everyone is as altruistic as you; although mayber we should be! Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:13:00 GMTfaschahttp://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspx[quote][b]fascha (4/20/2006)[/b][hr][quote][b]beebear (4/20/2006)[/b<P><FONT color=#1111ff><STRONG>And yes, I have 2 siblings as well, and believe me, I'm not handed the same as the other two, and should I ever have the nerve to pull the tantrum of "well... why did they do that for brother 1 and brother 2 and not us?", I'd expect a smack in the mouth and rightly so!</STRONG></FONT>[/quote]<P>You would have to be pretty naiive to think that there aren't going to be hard feelings. [/quote]<P><FONT color=#bb33bb>No, it's called "actual experience" and "been there, done that - lived through it my whole life and have an understanding..." </FONT><P><FONT color=#bb33bb>I'm speaking from experience, along with 2 siblings. </FONT>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 11:08:55 GMTBeeBearhttp://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspx[quote][b]beebear (4/20/2006)[/b][hr][quote][b]fascha (4/20/2006)[/b][hr]I think we're missing the point here... the OP doesn't NEED the money, but can't help thinking "well... why did they do that for brother 1 and brother 2 and not us?" [/quote]<P><FONT color=#1111ff><STRONG>This is exactly the attitude I have an issue with.......it's extremely childish!! </STRONG></FONT></P><P><FONT color=#1111ff><STRONG>And yes, I have 2 siblings as well, and believe me, I'm not handed the same as the other two, and should I ever have the nerve to pull the tantrum of "well... why did they do that for brother 1 and brother 2 and not us?", I'd expect a smack in the mouth and rightly so!</STRONG></FONT>[/quote]<P> <P>I don't know, I kind of see her point - I don't think a sibling has a right to throw a tantrum over it, or even question it out loud to his or her parents, but I could still understand such sibling having the thought as to how it is a bit unfair. In my opinion, they would have to suck it up, but they still have the right to think it is unfair.Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:54:21 GMTAmieLhttp://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspx[quote][b]fascha (4/20/2006)[/b][hr]I think we're missing the point here... the OP doesn't NEED the money, but can't help thinking "well... why did they do that for brother 1 and brother 2 and not us?" Whether or not you think there SHOULD be resentment there; I guarantee you there's going to be some hard feelings. My parents told me and my brothers that when we get married he will do _______ and give us ________ towards a house. And we all know that we're getting the same thing. I think that if my dad had said to me "well... Amanda, since you have a better job than your brother, I'm only going to give you 5K and I'm going to give him 50K" I would suck it up because of course it is totally within his right to do so; but I would be a.) BITTER towards my bro and b.) feel like I was being punished for being sucessful. It just creates tecnsion whether you're willing to admit it or not. Just my $0.02[/quote]</P><P>I agree with this point.Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:51:15 GMTAmieLhttp://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspx[quote][b]beebear (4/20/2006)[/b<P><FONT color=#1111ff><STRONG>And yes, I have 2 siblings as well, and believe me, I'm not handed the same as the other two, and should I ever have the nerve to pull the tantrum of "well... why did they do that for brother 1 and brother 2 and not us?", I'd expect a smack in the mouth and rightly so!</STRONG></FONT>[/quote]<P>Nobody's having a tantrum; I already said I would NEVER say anything, but that doesn't mean I would be able to help how I FEEL. You would have to be pretty naiive to think that there aren't going to be hard feelings. Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:47:54 GMTfaschahttp://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspx[quote][b]beebear (4/20/2006)[/b][hr][quote][b]fascha (4/20/2006)[/b][hr]I think we're missing the point here... the OP doesn't NEED the money, but can't help thinking "well... why did they do that for brother 1 and brother 2 and not us?" [/quote]<P><FONT color=#1111ff><STRONG>This is exactly the attitude I have an issue with.......it's extremely childish!! </STRONG></FONT></P><P><FONT color=#1111ff><STRONG>And yes, I have 2 siblings as well, and believe me, I'm not handed the same as the other two, and should I ever have the nerve to pull the tantrum of "well... why did they do that for brother 1 and brother 2 and not us?", I'd expect a smack in the mouth and rightly so!</STRONG></FONT>[/quote]<P>EXACTTTTTTTTLYThu, 20 Apr 2006 10:40:01 GMTigottajlohttp://forums.canadianbride.com/Topic16787-6-1.aspx[quote][b]fascha (4/20/2006)[/b][hr]I think we're missing the point here... the OP doesn't NEED the money, but can't help thinking "well... why did they do that for brother 1 and brother 2 and not us?" [/quote]</P><P><FONT color=#1111ff><STRONG>This is exactly the attitude I have an issue with.......it's extremely childish!! </STRONG></FONT></P><P><FONT color=#1111ff><STRONG>And yes, I have 2 siblings as well, and believe me, I'm not handed the same as the other two, and should I ever have the nerve to pull the tantrum of "well... why did they do that for brother 1 and brother 2 and not us?", I'd expect a smack in the mouth and rightly so!</STRONG></FONT>Thu, 20 Apr 2006 10:22:29 GMTBeeBear